2008 m. balandžio 18 d., penktadienis

The Papal Bulls: “Cum Secundum Consilium”, “Quo Elongati”, “Ordinem Vestrum” and Their Effect on the Order of Friars Minor

Many people imagine Saint Francis and his brothers as very romantic and easy going personalities always walking surrounded by singing birds. That they only walked in perfect joy and everything that they did was perfect and without any problem. Of all the pictures of saint Francis the one I like most is “San Francesco Dolente”, Saint Francis crying. I like this picture not because of the pain, but because it shows another side of Saint Francis and his reality. As our teacher Noel Muscat OFM said: that art is also a very valuable source for Franciscans. Saint Francis cried, because as he used to say: “Love is not loved”! It means that not everything is perfect in the world, not everything is perfect in the Church and of course not everything is perfect in our beloved Order of Friars Minor. If everything would be perfect we would not need law, we would not need the rule and we would not need Papal bulls! As Saint Augustine said “love and do what you want!”. We all know that Francis wanted to learn how to love and of course he loved every creature. He also wanted to teach the brothers God gave him, how to love. The basis of his teaching was and is the Gospel: “On every page his writings likewise are full of his desire to form his brothers in the gospel way of life”. (Brady:45). But unfortunately when the Order was increasing in numbers it was more and more difficult to keep them in order. So – the Order needed legislation. As time has gone by its development with all time’s challenges the Order has developed legislation and central influence to this legislation has been papal bulls.

The aim of this essay is to trace and give a short resume of the three Papal bulls: “Cum Secundum Consilium” (issued in 1220),”Quo Elongati” (issued in 1230) and “Ordinem vestrum” (issued in 1245), in order to see what had (and still has) an affect on the Order of Friars Minor.


“Cum Secundum Consilium”

After the General Chapter in1219 Saint Francis went on a mission to the East, Damietta: “Francis himself went on his journey to the East with a few other companions”. (Iriarte:19). In his place to govern the Order he left two brothers as his Vicars. About the situation in the fraternity since Francis left, writes Jacques de Vitry in his letter from Damietta in February/March year 1220 (when the bull still was not issued): “To our way of thinking, this Order is quite risky, because it sends out two by two throughout the world, not only formed religious, but also immature young men who should first be tested and subjected to conventual discipline for a time”. (ED I:581). Perhaps the Friars were not such a risk, but as we know at this time there were many heretical movements. “The main occupation of the friars at this time was preaching of repentance”.(Moorman:24). These poor brothers needed to be prepared.

The Pope came to help with this challenge with the bull “Cum Secundum Consilium”. As we see this bull was issued on 22 of september 1220 before the earlier rule was written and in the time it had a very big influence on it.

With this bull, Papacy moved to correct what it saw as deficiencies in a yet highly unstructured religious brotherhood”. (ED I:560). As we see in the introduction to this bull in the “Omnibus”, there was no formation in the Order. Anyone could become a Friar. There was no structure and legislation about accepting new brothers. This situation “drew criticism from even enthusiasts of the new brotherhood. Further more, the total freedom of movement which characterised the itinerant life of the early brothers also came at the cost of undisciplined or idle brothers causing scandal rather then edification”. (ED I:560). Here we can see another problem of the time. Brothers were to free and they, perhaps, did not know what constituted the life of the Friar. This problem was “vagari extra obediencia or wandering outside obedience”. (Yates:32). Let us see what the bull says:

Protocol – Greeting addressed to the Friars : “to our beloved sons, the priors and custodians of the Lesser brothers”. (ED I:560). Here the Pope uses the word priors. In the earlier rule of 1221 chapter VI is about brothers who must not call themselves “priors”. (ED I:68).

In text:

Arenga, the Pope speaks about the principles of the bull, that everyone who wants to become a Friar must prove his vocation: “It is important that anyone proposing to undertake a higher way of life look before he leaps”. (ED I:560).

Naratio: The Pope bases his position on the tradition of other religious orders concerning the time of probation : “practically every religious order has wisely ordained that those who propose to undertake a life of regular observance should first test it and be tested in it for a certain length of time”. (ED I:561).

Dispositio: based on the tradition of other religious Orders the Pope makes a decision concrete to Franciscans to create time of noviciate: “we forbid you to admit to profession in your Order anyone who has not first completed a year of probation. And once he has made profession, let no brother dare to leave your Order”. (ED I:561). This decision remains in both rules of 1221 and 1223.

After this he adds a prohibition relating to wandering outside obedience: “We further forbid anyone to wander about clad in the habit of your Order outside obedience, corrupting the purity of your poverty”. (ED I:561).

Causula: Penalties concerning anyone could daring to change this document or oppose it.

Eschatol: date ant place. “Given at Viterbo, the twenty – second day of September, in the fifth year of our pontificate”. (ED I:561).


”Quo Elongati”

If we want to understand the reason why the Pope issued this bull we need to look at the general chapter of 1230. This Chapter reached the zenith of discussions about observing the rule. “The internal tension, which was increasingly centred on the meaning of fidelity to the Rule, broke out sharply at the Chapter of 1230”. (Iriarte:32). The question was about observing the rule by the letter or not. The main question was: is the Testament of Saint Francis binding in conscience or not? “However, the ministers as a whole were convinced that the solution could not come from within the Order, but would have to be sought by involving the supreme authority. (Iriarte:32). And they were right, because since the approbation of the Rule, it had become an official part of the canon law of the world-wide Church. “The rule no longer belonged to Francis, it did not belong to the Order, it now belonged to the universal Church as part of its body of law and could not be changed except by the Popes, but now that it had been issued in a bull they were loathe to change anything. (Yates:42). “An embassy, therefore, was sent by the chapter to Pope Gregory to obtain an explanation of the Rule. Besides the Minister General there were Saint Anthony, Brother Gerard Rusinoll (penitentiary of the Pope), Brother Haymo (afterwards Minister General), Brother Leo (afterwards Archbishop of Milan), Brother Gerard of Modena, and Brother Peter of Brescia.” (Eccleston:80). As we see quite holy people and solid men went to the Pope to get an explanation of the Rule. Pope “Gregory made known his decision on 28 September 1230, in the bull Quo elongati”. (Moorman:90). Let us look at the bull itself to see Pope’s decisions and explanations:

Prologue: In the prologue the Pope address the bull to the government of the Order and to all brothers of the order.

First in Arenga concerning the principles: “Still, because the darkness of human weakness beclouds the splendour of spiritual understanding, occasionally the anxiety of the doubt presents itself, and thus difficulties that are almost insurmountable begin to pile up”. (ED I:570).

The Pope explains the circumstances of this bull in Naratio, that brothers recently came with difficulties on the interpretation of the Rule, and recalls that Francis in his testament did not want anyone to explain it. Based on the fact that Gregory IX knew Saint Francis he begins an explanation and the first interpretation of the Rule: “For as a result of the long-standing friendship between the holy confessor and ourselves, we know his mind more fully. Further more, while we held a lesser rank, we stood by him both as he composed the aforesaid Rule and obtained its confirmation from the Apostolic See”. (ED I:571). As we know Pope Gregory IX before he was elected Pope was the Cardinal protector of the order of Friars Minor and when Francis wrote the Rule he counselled him. We can see the evidence for that in this bull.

The first problem is the testament of the Saint. Is it binding in conscience? The Pope in his Dispositio says that in the testament we can see Francis’ personal “longings and holy desires” (ED I:571). To remove all anxiety from the brothers the Pope declared “that you are not bound by the Testament”. (ED I:571).

Another major problem is: are the brothers bound by the counsels of the Gospels as well as by its precepts? The pope gives a short answer, that the brothers are not bound by the precepts. They need to observe only those precepts which are in the Rule. For the rest the brothers are bound only in “the same way as the other Christians. (ED I:572).

Not simply another, but I would like to use the Word eternal problem or question for the brothers is money. The Pope explains the quotation of the Rule where Saint Francis forbids “in any way receive coins or money, either personally or trough an intermediary”. (ED I:102). The Pope himself says that it is an eternal problem: “Since they desire to observe this prohibition always, they seek a clarification”. (ED I:572). And here the Pope’s decision is strict. He does not deny this prohibition, but solves the problem by using the term amici sipirituali – spiritual friends, or the agents drawn from the third Order. If brothers want to make payment they need to go to these spiritual friends and ask them to make payments. But brothers still cannot touch money. About immovable property he says, that it belongs at all times to the donors, to real owners. For the movable property the Pope gives right to poor use – usum pauperum.

One more explanation the Pope gives is the case of brothers who commit a mortal sin. Because in the Rule is written: “If any of the brothers, at the instigation of the enemy, sin mortally in regard to those sins about which it may have been decreed among the brothers to have recourse only to the provincial ministers, such brothers must have recourse to them as soon as possible, without delay”. (ED I:573). To this question the answer is that brothers need to go to the provincial ministers only in the case of public sins. In other cases provincial ministers need to find a confessor for the brothers for private sins.

In the light of the bull a brother who wanted to preach still needed to go to the minister general for approbation: “Let the brothers who are judged ready for examination be sent to him; or let accompany their ministers to the general Chapter for this purpose”. (ED I:572).

The acceptance of new brothers the Pope wanted to reserve for the ministers general, but he allowed ministers general to authorise ministers provincial, but no more: “Even the ministers themselves may not do this unless they have been specially authorised. And just as the general minister has power to authorise them, so may he deny the authorisation. According to the Rule, the reception of brothers may not be delegated to others besides the provincial ministers. (ED I:574).

In the case of the death of the Minister General there was no need to gather all custodians of the Order, just one each from each province.

The final question was the permission to enter women’s monasteries. The brothers had meant only the monastery of the Poor Clares at San Damiano, but the Pope said that they must not enter to any monasteries.

The Bull “Quo Elongati” was to be the beginning of the great divisions in the Order. There was a group of the friars who wanted to observe the Rule sine glossa without any interpretation and another group who wanted to adapt the Rule to their life style and needs of the Church.


“Ordinem vestrum”

As the pastoral ministries of the Lesser Brothers continued to expand dramatically throughout the 1230’s, many brothers increasingly viewed some provisions of their Rule as being too restrictive”. (ED II:774). Pope Innocent IV also respected the mendicants and gave them a lot of pastoral work. Brothers accepted their mission from the Church. At this time numbers were growing and changes were taking place. In year 1245 the Order was much further from its roots than it was in the year1230 when the Pope gave the brothers the first interpretation of the Rule. Now in the year 1245 the brothers needed more interpretation, because they could not live in the spirit of the first interpretation, brothers were still arguing among themselves how to live according to the Rule. The bull “Ordinem Vestrum” “was the second major papal declaration on the Franciscan Rule; although it claimed the modest role of further clarifying Gregory IX’s Quo Elongati of 1230, it actually went far beyond it in a number of respects”. (ED II:774).

In this bull we can see that the Pope is repeating many thing from “Quo Elongati”. We can see the Pope’s good will in wanting to remove the anxiety and doubts from the hearts of the brothers. And we see his repetition about the Gospel’s precepts which we already met in “Quo Elongati”. (ED II:775).

The first difference which we see is that the Pope now allows for ministers provincial to delegate their vicars or other brothers to receive new candidates: “it is lawful for the provincial ministers, with the advice of the more discreet brothers, to entrust the reception of those entering the Order to their vicars as well as to other circumspect brothers for their provinces”. (ED II:775).

The clerical brothers if they attended the Divine Office celebrated by the other clergy, did not need to recite their own Office. (ED II:775).

And again a question about money. “Quo Elongati” did not help to remove all anxiety from the hearts of the brothers. Pope Innocent IV repeats and explains what had already been explained by Pope Gregory IX. Pope Innocent IV states: “when the brothers have recourse to such appointed or presented persons (here he is speaking about the agents) they are not “receiving coins or money in any form either personally or through intermediaries”, since it is not their intention to have such coins or money held by these persons on their own authority nor are they drawing from what has been deposited with them in their own name: they are simply entrusting such agents or depositors with providing for their necessary or useful items”. (ED II:776). The Pope also allowed other brothers not only ministers and custodians to take care of the sick brothers and their needs through the intermediaries. (ED II:776-777).

The Pope repeats things already mentioned in the bull “Quo Elongati” about the movable and immovable things. (I do not want to use the word property, because it is not property of the brothers, but property which “belong immediately to the [Roman] Church itself, except for those cases where the donors or grantors have expressly reserved these property rights and dominion to themselves. (ED II:777).).

One more repetition from “Quo Elongati” is about the mortal sins of the brothers. And we see again that this part of the Rule touches only the public sins. (ED II:778).

In case of the death of the Minister General as we know from the bull “Quo Elongati”, the same appears in the bull “Ordinem Vestrum” that the general chapter does not need to gather all custodians of the province, one delegate with the provincial minister is enough. (ED II:778).

For the examination of the brothers who want to be preachers the Minister General can now delegate this to the ministers provincial and their vicars. (ED II:778). It means that the Church wants more and more clerics and preachers from the Order.

This bull Pope ends with the question about the monasteries of nuns. And here we see monastery defined: “the cloister, the living quarters, and workshops”. (ED II:779). In other places for begging alms, preaching or other reasonable causes they can enter with the permission of the superiors.

And again we see the prohibition to oppose this document.

From this short consideration of these three papal documents “Cum Secundum Consilium”, ”Quo Elongati” and “Ordinem vestrum” we can conclude that the Order of Friars Minor had lived not in paradise, but on earth. That the many brothers who were holy people, but holy not as in pious pictures, always had to seek the perfection of the Gospel. Because of their weaknesses they need help. The help of God to understand his Divine will. They also needed help from outside – from the authorities of the Church. And they help us to understand what God wants from our beloved Order and from us – brothers, because God’s will for the Church is his will for us in our turn.

BIBLIOGRAPHY:


Books:


K. Esser, L. Hardick et all. The Marrow Of The Gospel

Ignatius Brady OFM (translator and editor) Franciscan Herald Press, Chicago

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Ecumenical Dialogue with the Orthodox Church

"I appeal to you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree and that there be no dissensions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment." (1 Corinthians 1:10).


These words of Saint Paul the apostle to the Corinthians reveal to us that there already was a great need for keeping the unity of Church even in the apostolic age of the Church's history. Questions such as "who is Jesus?", "do the converted pagans need circumcision?", or even more human ones parafrasing the Gospel, such as "who is the greatest in the Kingdom of heaven", were always challenging the Christian people and causing disunity. Over two thousand years of Church history we have a huge number of Christian denominations and traditions. In order to bring the Gospel to the world we have to be united as Jesus willed. It is not an easy task since a lot of time passed and there were a lot of misunderstandings and hurt in all "camps". Therefore in order to come closer to the Truth we need to take a serious look at each other that we would get to know the different Christian traditions and heritage. In this essay I am going to look more closely to what is simillar and what is different between the Catholic Church (not only Roman since there are Catholics of different rites) and Eastern Orthodox Church. The Protestant Churches are also involved in this discussion. So by having looked at Catholic and Orthodox Church perspectives for unity I will try to understand why dialogue between Orthodox and Catholics is easier (if it is) and more posible than with the Protestant Churches.

The Dogmatic Constitution on the Church Lumen Gentium distinguishes two kinds of the separated brethren: one is called Churches and the other Ecclesial Communities. The Churches mostly would be called those Churches who separated during the time of the Great Schism and can trace the lineage of Bishops to the succesion of the Apostles (valid priesthood and sacraments): "there flourish in the East many particular or local Churches, among which the Patriarchal Churches hold first place, and of these not a few pride themselves in tracing their origins back to the apostles themselves."1 The Ecclesial Communities are mainly those who separated from the Catholic Church as a result of Reformation."The ecclesial Communities which are separated from us lack the fullness of unity with us flowing from Baptism, and <...> we believe they have not retained the proper reality of the eucharistic mystery in its fullness, especially because of the absence of the sacrament of Orders."2

In the early ages of Church history the main question which first split the Church was the question "who is Christ?" Now, as it seems, this question does not divide the Christians, the question who divides Church is "how do we interpret Christ's teaching and who has the right to interpret it with authority?" The problem is that every Christian agrees that Christ saves but not every Christian agrees on how Christ saves. In speculating how Christ saves there are disagreements between different denominations (for example the great argument of justification by faith alone with the protestants). In a dialogue with the Orthodox Church it is a different issue than with the Protestants since Orthodox community is recognised by Catholics as Sister Churches and Protestants as Ecclesial Communities.

It is important to look at the names and a bit of historical background of the Churches since the names express the aspects of the Church on which the different denominations give a stress. History helps to understand what were the factors causing disunity and formation of different Churches.

The word catholic means universal or entire. In order to make a difference from the various heretical groups and sects the early Church started to call herself Catholic. This title indicated to the authenticity of the Church's universality as an opposition to parciality. It also indicated the authenticity of the teaching of faith which is inherited from the apostles. Only the Catholic Church had the full or complete teaching as other schismatic sects and groups had their own which was not in accord with the teaching of the apostles. Already by the end of second century Irenaeus of Lyons in his work Against the Heresies insisted that the authenticity of the Church teaching must come from the apostles and the bishops and presbyters who could trace their succession back to the apostles.3 We must not presume that Catholic Church is only Roman Catholic since there are more Eastern rite Catholic Churches in union with Pope such as Syro Malabar, Syro Malankara, Greek Catholic, Ukranian Catholic, Ethiopian – Koptic rite Catholic and so on.
The name Orthodox means the right or true teaching. (The Russian aspect of the name has a slightly different angle: Провославие (provoslavie) means the true worship or true praise). The name Orthodox itself implies an opposition to un-orthodox or not true teaching, which according to them is the Western Church. It is important to notice that "the Orthodox Church is not a unitary Church. It is a communion of sister churches joined by sharing the same faith and the same sacraments."4
Since the fourth century, when Christianity became legal and later the religion of the Roman empire, the very strong link between the religion and state started to develop. In order to keep the empire in unity Christianity had also to be in unity, therefore the Christian emperors called the Church Councils to define dogmas of faith. Later when the Roman empire collapsed various arguments began to arise between East and West, for example who's form of liturgy was right, the question of levened or unlevened bread, arguments about marriage of priests, the fasting days, dates of Easter etc. When the Byzantine bishop heard that the Normans do not allow the Eastern rite he banned the Latin rite in Constantinople. Pope Leo IX responded by sending his cardinal Humbert to solve the problem. And later the problem was "solved" when Humbert publicly excommunicated the Patriarch of Constantinope in Hagia Sofia in 1054 and the Patriarch gave a responce to this reaction by cursing the pope's legate. This is the official date of the great schism, although it was not the main reason. The tension between East and West began much earlier. After the official date of schism there were negotiations between Rome and Constantinople especially during the invasion of the Turks in 1095. At this time both East and West were still worshiping together. The main problem started in the twelth and thiteenth centuries because of political and cultural reasons. In 1182 there were great anti-latin riots in Constantinople. Furthermore in 1204 Constantinople was sacked by the Western knights of the crusades.
The argument between East and West continued when the question of Filioque was introduced. The Filioque problem, is an argument in the area of Trinitology about the Holy Spirit: Does it proceed from the Father or from the Father and the Son? Catholic Tradition teaches that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son – Filioque. But this argument mainly was used as a pretext for the historical mistakes of disunity.All these liturgical, political, theological events gradually formed the self identity of Orthodox and Catholic Churches and those different identities separated the Sister Churches.

The real problem is that through the ages in history East and West developed different models of governing the Church. In the eleventh century during the reform the Pope declared authority upon the whole Church which was ignored by the East because the Byzantines saw their Church in an emperial context. In the East the emperor has always had a great influence on the Church and they saw themselves as being very autonomic and independant.

After the Second Vatican Council we are mainly critiqued by the Orthodox for our ecclesiology. "Neither an ecclesiology based on the Vicar of Christ and the de jure divino hierarchy, nor one which separates the invisible and undivided Church from the visible and divided Church can be accepted by Orthodox theology;"5 In the Orthodox ecclesiology a great emphasis is put on the notion of Sister Churches. The Orthodox Churches are governed as "autocephalous", "meaning, able to provide themselves with their own head,"6 but is not completeley independant from each other. Each of the metropolies with a Patriarch according to tradition have a founding Apostle. For example about the time of Nicea there were 5 metropolies and Rome was one of them. Moreover the founding apostles of the Church in Rome superceeded other Churches since the Roman Church was founded by the apostle Peter; also the apostle Paul was martyred in Rome which also gave a great spiritual foundation for the Church in Rome. But Rome does not have any jurisdictional authority, because it is considered "the first among equals". Nowadays Constantinople is considered the first among equals since they consider Rome to be apostacised. The other reason why Rome would be granted this title at Nicea was the Roman Emperor who had a great role in this council. Down through the ages in the East the Emperor had a much greater influence on the Church than in the West. But after a long period of time even the Orthodox recognise that the model of "autocephalous" is not the best model: "With no single governing head, each autocephalous Church being clothed with juridical authority, we tend to lose even the slightest, the most elementary kind of co-ordination and initiative."7
Talking about Tradition Catholic Church and Orthodox Church agree about the necessity of the Tradition, but dissagree on how Tradition passes on faith, because there has been different traditions through the ages in both Churches. In a dialogue with the Protestants it is a very difficult issue to talk about the Tradition, because they reject the Tradition and their moto is Sola Scriptura. So here is one more obstacle for the unity among Catholics and Protestants. All issues in the Catholic Church are based "upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition."8 Since the ancient times the Church recognised the necessity of Tradition which is an authentic teaching of the Church. In the ecumenical dialogue between Orthodox and Catholics both sides recognise the Tradition, but Protestants reject it and that causes a problem from the Catholic point of view: "according to Catholic belief, the authentic teaching authority of the Church has a special place in the interpretation and preaching of the written word of God."9. In stating Sola Scriptura protestants are contradicting themselves, because interpreting the Scripture they are going to be subjective which causes disunity among their own communities. It becomes a subjective revelation.
Even though both Orthodox and Catholic accept the Tradition they have different a interpretation of what the Tradition is: "the heritage handed down by the apostles was received with differences of form and manner, so that from the earliest times of the Church it was explained variously in different places, owing to diversities of genius and conditions of life. All this, quite apart from external causes, prepared the way for decisions arising also from a lack of charity and mutual understanding."10 Nevertheless the Tradition is one of the things which make the unity possible even though there are differences which the Catholic Church recognises and does not try to deny them: "from the earliest times the Eastern Churches followed their own forms of ecclesiastical law and custom, which were sanctioned by the approval of the Fathers of the Church, of synods, and even of ecumenical councils. Far from being an obstacle to the Church's unity, a certain diversity of customs and observances only adds to her splendor, and is of great help in carrying out her mission, as has already been stated."11

From the Catholic point of view the Orthodox are almost in unity with us. "These Churches, although separated from us, yet possess true sacraments and above all, by apostolic succession, the priesthood and the Eucharist, whereby they are linked with us in closest intimacy."12 Sadly we do not have these things with the Protestants, which make communinion more obscure from the Catholic point of view.

Even though the Catholic Curch sees the Orthodox in a very positive way, ("Eastern Christians who are in fact separated in good faith from the Catholic Church, if they ask of their own accord and have the right dispositions, may be admitted to the sacraments of Penance, the Eucharist and the Anointing of the Sick. Further, Catholics may ask for these same sacraments from those non-Catholic ministers whose churches possess valid sacraments, as often as necessity or a genuine spiritual benefit recommends such a course and access to a Catholic priest is physically or morally impossible"),13it does not mean that Orthodox see us with the same atitude. The main problem for the Orthodox is our ecclesiology and papacy. They do not understand and do not accept the pope as being the supreme pontif. Mainly what they say is that pope is the first among equals and they base their argument on that there were twleve apostles and not eleven plus one – Peter. The Catholic Church states that from the first ages of the Church we are already able to trace the developements of papacy. For example: "Clement of Rome called the church of Corinth to order in 96, <...> around 190 Victor excommunicated the bishops who did not celebrate the festival of Easter on the same day as Rome;"14 The Catholic Church sees these events as a developement of primacy.

Pope Jonh Paul II in his encyclica Ut Unum Sint also uses the notion of Sister Churches, but it is a different notion from the Orthodox point of view since Papal primacy contradicts to them the notion of Sister Churches and equality. Because of different historical circumstances Papacy in the West took over the role of the Emperor. The West did not have an emperor since 476 A.D. until Charlemagne took the throne in 800 A.D. Nevertheless the emperor in the West (crowned by the Pope) did not have the same authority in the Church as the emperor in the East since the emperor in the West, unlike the emperor in the East, was never able to consistently impose a spiritual kind of authority on the pope, where as in the East it was happening often. In the West the emperor would not intervene in doctrinal issues. In the East the Emperor had a great influence until the Turkish conquest in 1453. Now the Orthodox see the Lumen Gentium ecclesiology as an attempt to justify the monarchical model of ruling which was formed down through the ages of history by the monarch Popes and polemical point of view at the separated Churches. "The Roman Church, after her schism from the East (1054) and the event of the Reformation within her own communion, was obliged to form a solid ecclesiology of order and discipline in order to justify the new interpretation of the monarchical system of government, directed against the Eastern Church, and of the divine nature of the ecclesiastical institution, directed against the Reformers."15 If we look for the aspects of Sister Churches in the Protestant Churches we find that the Apostolic succession is broken, therefore the Sacraments (most of them) are neglected and dismissed which makes the dialogue with Catholic Church more complicated.
Also what Orthodox do not like in our ecclesiology is the idea of visible Catholic Church and invisible. They say that we separated mystery from material aspects of Church. Also they blame us for reducing the act of the Holy Spirit in the Church by giving all authurity to a vicar of Christ. "Sometimes the Orthodox gets the impression that in the West, either the Church is seen as an end in itself, governed by a direct representative of Christ, who gives authority to him de jure divino and through him to the whole hierarchical structure of the divine institution, or, on the other hand, the Church risks becoming simply a community of believers recognised as such only by the proper administration of the Word and the Sacraments."16
Other issues like Mariology and notion of Original Sin are more or less close with the Orthodox, but it is far enough with the protestants. The main patristic author in the west is Augustine who is recognised by the East, but he is not a great authority for the Eastern church. The Western Church took a lot of Augustine's writings including the teaching on original sin. Both Churches agree that original sin had an ontological effect on the nature of humanity. The disagreement is on the effects of the original sin: Orthodox would not go as far as Pelagius who did not recognise a change after the fall, but they would not agree with St. Augustine's estimation of the extent of the damage inflicted by sin. Therefore here I see even a bigger difference between the Protestants and Orthodox than Catholics and Protestants who accuse the Catholics of being Pelagian.
"The only kind of Mariological doctrine that the Orthodox possess in the concept of the Theotokos as formed during the Christological disputes of the fifth and sixth centuries."17 Mediatrix is understood as representation of praying community.Orthodox more or less agree on the issues about the Virgin Mary, but they say that there is no need of creating new dogmas about her, because of a danger of Divinisation and missunderstanding among the popular piety. Protestant tradition would disagree with both East and West about the Virgin Mary since they see us as worshiping her and they accuse us of idolotry. The Orthodox take their theology about the Virgin Mary from the worshiping community and for them it is enough and they criticise Catholics for proclaming new dogmas ex cathedra which is against the ancient tradition and ecumenical ethos.18 Orthodox accept only 7 ecumenical councils. All the councils of the West after the split are cosidered as local councils which do not have such a great importance for the East.
Second Vatican council highlights the similarities between the two Churches from the Ancient times: "it must not be forgotten that from the beginning the Churches of the East have had a treasury from which the Western Church has drawn extensively-in liturgical practice, spiritual tradition, and law."19 All these things namely liturgy, spiritual tradition and law make the dialogue between East and West much easier than with Catholics and Protestants since the Protestants have rejected a lot of these things. These things are what we have in common with the Orthodox and they show the closer relationship between the West and East in practice. The dialogue with the Protestants could be easier in the sense that there is a shorter gap in history between the split in 16th century than about a thousand year history since the split between East and West. Also I would see Protestants as culturally closer to us than the Orthodox. The other problem not including the sacramental issues with the Protestants which makes a dialogue very difficult is that there are hundreds of Protestant denominations which do not agree among themselves, which is not the issue with the Orthodox since they managed to sustain the unity among themselves, therefore it is not easy to talk about Protestants in general and in a dialogue with the protestants we have to look at each denomination in itself. Therefore by a having look at all the issues mentioned in this essay I could say that dialogue with the Orthodox is easier than with the Protestants especially because of common understanding of the necessity of Tradition and Sacraments.















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Scripture quatation is taken from Revised Standart Version BibleWorks for Windows, Copyright © 2001, BibleWorks, LLC Version 5.0.034a

3Cf. Irenaeus of Lyons Against the Heresies, III, 3, 1-2. Comby Jean, How to Read Church History, Vol. 1 From the Beginnings to Fifteenth Century, (SCM Press LTD, 1985), p. 63

4Nichols Aidan, O.P. Rome and the Eastern Churches, (T&T Clark, Edinburgh, 1992) p. 105

5Nissiotis Nikos, A. The Main Ecclesiological Problem of the Second Vatican Council and the Position of the non-Roman Churches Facing It, Journal of Ecumenical Studies, Vol. 2, Number 1, Editorial Leonard Swidler, (Duquesne University Press, Winter 1965), p. 34

6Nichols Aidan, O.P. Rome and the Eastern Churches, (T&T Clark, Edinburgh, 1992) p. 107

7Nissiotis Nikos, A. The Main Ecclesiological Problem of the Second Vatican Council and the Position of the non-Roman Churches Facing It, Journal of Ecumenical Studies, Vol. 2, Number 1, Editorial Leonard Swidler, (Duquesne University Press, Winter 1965), p. 60

8Dogmatic Constitution on the Church Lumen Gentium Solemnly Promulgated by Holiness Pope Paul VI on November 21, 1964, §14http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_const_19641121_lumen-gentium_en.html

10Op.Cit. §14

11Op.Cit. §16

12Op.Cit. §15

13Decree on the Catholic Churches of the Eastern Rite Orientalium Ecclesiarum, Solemnly Promulgated by His Holiness Pope Paul VI on November 21, 1964, §27 http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decree_19641121_orientalium-ecclesiarum_en.html

14Comby Jean, How to Read Church History, Vol. 1 From the Beginnings to Fifteenth Century, (SCM Press LTD, 1985), p. 103

15Nissiotis Nikos, A. The Main Ecclesiological Problem of the Second Vatican Council and the Position of the non-Roman Churches Facing It, Journal of Ecumenical Studies, Vol. 2, Number 1, Editorial Leonard Swidler, (Duquesne University Press, Winter 1965), p. 33

16Op.Cit. p. 34

17Nissiotis Nikos, A. The Main Ecclesiological Problem of the Second Vatican Council and the Position of the non-Roman Churches Facing It, Journal of Ecumenical Studies, Vol. 2, Number 1, Editorial Leonard Swidler, (Duquesne University Press, Winter 1965), p. 52

18Cf. Op.Cit. p. 53